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舊 02-10-04, 09:02 AM   #1
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日經(任天堂以NGC迎戰PS3,Xbox2) 任天堂(No....)

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Nikkei Net報導

任天堂、次世代ゲーム機投入を当面見送り
 任天堂は家庭用ゲーム機で現行の「ゲームキューブ」に続く新モデルの発売を当面見送る方針だ。キューブを中心に新開発の周辺機器を活用して、ソフトの多様化で楽しめる遊びの幅を広げる。ソニーと米マイクロソフトが高機能の「次世代ゲーム機」を発売する計画なのに対し、任天堂はハードの機能性よりもソフトの魅力向上を重視した路線を鮮明にする。

 任天堂は2005年中にもアダプターや操作端末などの周辺機器を発売する計画。概要は明らかにしていないが、画像や音の表現能力を上げるのではなく、体感型ゲームや携帯型ゲーム機との連動といった多様な遊び方を想定したものになる見通し。任天堂が当面、買い替えを促す新機種を出さないのは、ゲーム市場が縮小・多様化を強めるなかで、「顧客は今のゲーム機の機能に十分満足している」(岩田聡社長)と判断したためだ。長期的な家庭用ゲーム機の開発は社内で続けるが、この2―3年はソフトの魅力向上につながるような機能をゲームキューブに追加し、他社の「次世代機」への対抗軸に据える。 (07:02)

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任天堂:ゲームキューブ向け周辺機器05年発売へ-後継機も開発継続
【記者:竹本能文】

2月10日(ブルームバーグ):任天堂は2005年に家庭用ゲーム機「ゲームキューブ」向けに周辺機器を発売する。ゲームキューブの機能を拡張することで新たな種類のゲームソフトを投入するのが狙い。広報室の皆川恭廣課長が10日明らかにした。周辺機器の詳細については明らかにしていない。

  一方、ゲームキューブの後継機種の開発も続けており、「競合他社と同時期に発売する」(皆川課長)方針だ。

  10日付の日本経済新聞朝刊は、任天堂が次世代ゲーム機の投入を当面見送ると報じた。これに対して、「ソニーも米マイクロソフトも次世代機の発売時期は05年から06年といわれており、当社もその時期まで当面発売しないという意味」(同氏)と説明した。

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GameOnline - Nikkei Net報導
http://gameonline.jp/news/2004/02/10004.html
GameOnline - 任天堂回應(引Bloomberg報導)
http://gameonline.jp/news/2004/02/10005.html

Nikkei Net報導
http://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/sangyo/...109022004.html

Bloomberg報導
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...efer=top_kigyo
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舊 02-10-04, 09:31 AM   #2
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http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6089101.html

Nintendo postpones next-gen console?

[UPDATE] Japanese reports say the game giant has bowed out of the next-gen console race. However, Nintendo of America officials say such reports are "speculation."

This morning shockwaves went through the game industry after an article in the Nihon Keizai Shimbun quoted Nintendo officials as saying they had put plans to release a next-generation console on hold. The article quoted Nintendo president Satoru Iwata as deeming Nintendo's current GameCube has not yet reached its full potential. "Customers are fully satisfied with the performance of the current model," said Iwata.

According to the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, Nintendo management had decided to forgo development on the GameCube's successor in order to focus on peripherals that will enhance gameplay, including further interactivity with the Game Boy Advance and (presumably) the upcoming Nintendo DS. The article says that Nintendo would release the first of these peripherals in 2005, when Microsoft is expected to release its next Xbox. The next Sony console is not expected out until 2006.

The article said Nintendo would still continue development of "a new home-use game machine for release in the future," but the earliest that machine would be released would be 2007.

However, according to Beth Llewellyn, Nintendo of America's director of corporate communications, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun article is erroneous, and based on "a lot of speculation." She also said the Iwata quote was from another article and was taken out of context.

Regarding the status of Nintendo's next console, Llewellyn told GameSpot "we will launch at the same time as our competitors. Our status hasn't changed." However, Llewellyn did shed some light on its functionality. "While our competitors are focusing on being everything in the living room, we're focusing strictly on gameplay," she said, indication Nintendo's next console would not aspire to be a home entertainment center like Sony's PSX. Llewellyn did say that Nintendo may be readying a new crop of peripherals for the GameCube. "We're always looking at accessories that enhance the GameCube."

If Nintendo does put its next-gen plans on hold, analysts say such a strategy shift would not the desperate move some console-war partisans have (already) made it out to be. "Concentrating on the Game Boy Advance and new handheld systems to defend against serious competition from the Sony PSP is a sound strategy," said the Zelos Group's Billy Pidgeon.

However, Pidgeon also admitted the gambit was not without risk. "It will be difficult to sustain third party participation as the GameCube ages and newer home consoles are released," he said. Pidgeon also pegged the main beneficiary if Nintendo were to beat a temporary retreat. "Nintendo's decision to effectively abstain from the next generation of home consoles is better for Microsoft than Sony, as Nintendo's regrouping will help defend Nintendo handhelds against the PSP."

By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot [POSTED: 02/09/04 03:15 PM]

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DJ Nintendo Won't Release New Video Game Console -Nikkei (Dow Jones News Service)
Updated: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:11PM ET

OSAKA (Nikkei)--Nintendo Co. (7974.OK) has decided not to release a new video game console to follow its current GameCube for the time being, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported in its Tuesday edition.

The home-use game machine and software developer will instead diversify games and sell newly developed peripherals mainly for the GameCube. It will make games for the current model more appealing, while rivals Sony Corp. (6758.TO) and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) plan to debut high-performance next-generation consoles that can be also used for non-game content such as movies and music.

Nintendo plans to release peripherals as early as 2005. Although details aren't yet known, these devices are expected to diversify playing styles by improving the gaming experience and connections with hand-held units rather than improve graphics and sound quality.

The decision to withhold the release of a new console was made because while the game market is contracting and becoming more diverse, "customers are fully satisfied with the performance of the current model," President Satoru Iwata said.

Nintendo will continue in-house development of a new home-use game machine for release in the future, but for the next two or three years will add functions to the GameCube.

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
02-09-04 1211ET

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舊 02-10-04, 12:57 PM   #3
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如果真係07年至出就似乎遲左d
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舊 02-10-04, 01:12 PM   #4
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雖然身為GC機主我都想GC可以挨耐D...
但出部周邊來擴張功能呢招我就唔睇好哪

全力開發一部有5.1環迴+對應所有GC game既新機咪仲實際 ^^


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舊 02-10-04, 01:13 PM   #5
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舊 02-10-04, 01:16 PM   #6
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雖然身為GC機主我都想GC可以挨耐D...
但出部周邊來擴張功能呢招我就唔睇好哪

全力開發一部有5.1環迴+對應所有GC game既新機咪仲實際 ^^
咪係,
而且外國市場一向唔受呢一套,
sega 既32X已經係一個好例子啦…


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慢慢睇下會發展到點la....
如果任天堂因為一個曾經犯過既錯誤而再係次次世代主機大戰中失利的話
你話會幾低B呢.... ^^


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舊 02-10-04, 01:21 PM   #9
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Nintendo Plans GCN Peripherals
Updated: Nintendo of America comments.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/491/491054p1.html

February 09, 2004 - Today, IGNcube learned from the Nikkei Index that Nintendo will develop a series of peripheral add-ons to extend the life of its current system, GameCube.

Nintendo has decided that it will diversify its game library and sell new peripherals for GameCube to make the current hardware more appealing to consumers instead of competing directly with Microsoft or Sony.

Nintendo's current plan is to begin releasing these new peripherals in early 2005. There have been no further details on what these peripherals may be.

Company president Satoru Iwata stated that the reasoning behind this philosophy is that "customers are fully satisfied with the performance of the current model."

The Nikkei report also indicated that Nintendo might not release the successor to GameCube for "two or three years" and that it would instead concentrate on peripherals for the console.

IGN contacted Nintendo of America for clarification and the subsidiary flatly denied the report.

"First -- much of the Nikkei article is speculation. Mr. Iwata's comments are from a prior interview and not in direct response to the subjects raised in the article," said Nintendo of America's director of public relations Beth Llewlyn. "Second -- We are staying in the hardware business. We're working on our next generation console system and will launch it at the same time as our competitors."

Asked if Nintendo would pull out of the console race, Llewlyn stated: "We're in this business for the long term. We're not getting out of the hardware business."

On the subject of GameCube peripherals, Llewelyn was quiet, but did offer: "Specific details about accessories and their functions haven't been made public yet. It's far too early to make predictions about how well an accessory will do in the marketplace, but we're confident our products will be compelling."

"Our focus remains entertainment and game play versus chasing after technology that doesn't truly enhance the game play experience. We'll incorporate new technology -- whether its hardware, software or accessories -- if it improves the game play experience."
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舊 02-10-04, 02:32 PM   #11
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我都覺得Nintendo唔應該太早出新機﹐機能黎講都仲好夠﹐新機只要唔好遲過Xbox2出以經得喇。
宜家要做既應該係改善GC既缺點﹐挽回用家既信心
黎如online game﹑遊戲類型同save card問題(一隻運動game/animal crossing用晒成張59實在太過份)﹐等用家覺得GC有改善先會考慮買後繼機嘛


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舊 02-10-04, 05:30 PM   #12
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任天堂取消GC下一代遊戲主機的開發?

★據《日本經濟新聞朝刊》今日報道,任天堂會社決定暫時取消GC下一代遊戲主機的發賣,而轉向活用GC、開發GC用新型周邊機器與多樣化遊戲軟體來對抗SCE與MICROSOFT會社的下一代遊戲主機,任天堂計劃在2005年中發賣GC用擴張裝置與操縱裝置等新型周邊機器,目前詳細情況不明,可能是加強GC與攜帶型遊戲機的連動並開發GC用體感遊戲之用。
★針對《日本經濟新聞朝刊》的報道,任天堂會社宣傳室皆川恭廣課長表示,任天堂會社確實決定於2005年發賣GC用新型周邊機器,擴張GC主電腦的機能並投入新種類遊戲軟體,但任天堂仍將繼續進行GC下一代遊戲主機的開發,將在2005年末至2006年左右與SCE與MICROSOFT會社的下一代游戲主機同時期發賣。
★針對報道,北美任天堂會社宣傳部長Beth Llewlyn表示,第一點,《日本經濟新聞朝刊》的報道是根據對任天堂會社社長岩田聰的採訪私自推斷的,並沒有如實反映岩田社長談話的意思;第二點,任天堂將繼續參與家用遊戲主機市場,GC下一代遊戲主機將與SCE與MICROSOFT會社的下一代遊戲主機同時期發賣。

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舊 02-10-04, 05:44 PM   #13
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我都覺得Nintendo唔應該太早出新機﹐機能黎講都仲好夠﹐新機只要唔好遲過Xbox2出以經得喇。
宜家要做既應該係改善GC既缺點﹐挽回用家既信心
黎如online game﹑遊戲類型同save card問題(一隻運動game/animal crossing用晒成張59實在太過份)﹐等用家覺得GC有改善先會考慮買後繼機嘛
任天堂的 Memory Card 59 (1400日元) 祗有4MB記憶
不能儲存太多遊戲記錄
但現已出了 Memory Card 251 (2000日元) 有16MB記憶
可以儲存多個遊戲記錄
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舊 02-10-04, 05:57 PM   #14
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我覺得可信性唔高
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我覺得可信性唔高
我都覺..因為好多o野都話唔埋 到要出新機的必要時...點都要出


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其實我覺得現階段3部機既機能已經好夠.......
再強化都冇乜分別......
不如各部新機齊齊轉用細碟DVD啦....XD


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舊 02-10-04, 08:38 PM   #20
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GC機能都已經好勁架喇…
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舊 02-10-04, 08:43 PM   #21
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舊 02-10-04, 08:45 PM   #22
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雖然我認為這個報導可信性不大, 但如果屬實, 任記肯定係賭一盤過, 失敗的話便好難番新...

因為如果任記能夠成功延長ngc的壽命, 主機形勢就會大變: 原本sony主導變成任記主導. 即係本來m$同任記睇sony頭出新機, 所以大家準備2005-206年出; 變成m$同sony出左機時ngc仲可以繼續玩, 真係得的話ngc當時的市場影響力肯定好大, 到到任記再出機時就可以放頭. 當然講就理想啦, 做就肯定唔易, 成功的話又會係業界一大奇蹟了!

如果真係要出的話, 又未必會好似64dd咁失敗, 因為64dd係勁延期先至死ma~
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舊 02-10-04, 08:56 PM   #23
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Originally posted by letmeregister :
雖然我認為這個報導可信性不大, 但如果屬實, 任記肯定係賭一盤過, 失敗的話便好難番新...

因為如果任記能夠成功延長ngc的壽命, 主機形勢就會大變: 原本sony主導變成任記主導. 即係本來m$同任記睇sony頭出新機, 所以大家準備2005-206年出; 變成m$同sony出左機時ngc仲可以繼續玩, 真係得的話ngc當時的市場影響力肯定好大, 到到任記再出機時就可以放頭. 當然講就理想啦, 做就肯定唔易, 成功的話又會係業界一大奇蹟了!

如果真係要出的話, 又未必會好似64dd咁失敗, 因為64dd係勁延期先至死ma~
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不過,從來成功既遊戲機都係無「必要用的週邊」…
如果係想加週邊,不過開發新既開發機好過喇…
PS2就係咁…


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舊 02-10-04, 08:58 PM   #24
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Originally posted by letmeregister :
雖然我認為這個報導可信性不大, 但如果屬實, 任記肯定係賭一盤過, 失敗的話便好難番新...

因為如果任記能夠成功延長ngc的壽命, 主機形勢就會大變: 原本sony主導變成任記主導. 即係本來m$同任記睇sony頭出新機, 所以大家準備2005-206年出; 變成m$同sony出左機時ngc仲可以繼續玩, 真係得的話ngc當時的市場影響力肯定好大, 到到任記再出機時就可以放頭. 當然講就理想啦, 做就肯定唔易, 成功的話又會係業界一大奇蹟了!
1994.12 PS發售
1996.06 N64發售後﹐1996.06~2003.12期間﹐PS賣了9000萬台
2000.03 PS2發售後﹐2000.03~2003.12期間﹐PS賣了2600萬台
2001.09 NGC發售後﹐2001.09~2003.12期間﹐PS賣了1100萬台
2002.02 Xbox發售後﹐2002.02~2003.12期間﹐PS賣了959萬台

所以.......
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舊 02-10-04, 09:14 PM   #25
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今晨Nikkei報的一篇報道宣稱任天堂滿足於現有市場,揭示任天堂將繼續致力於研發NGC的周邊產品並推延下一代主機的研發工作。在這篇文章見報幾小時後,任天堂的Yasuhiro Minagawa先生在錄音中否決此報導並表示NGC的周邊不會影響後繼主機的相關開發。他說:“其它廠商預計無法在2005年末至2006年前發佈新一代的主機,而任天堂會在同時發佈自己的下一代產品。”

關於任天堂的新NGC周邊目前所知甚少,但據稱它將會帶來新的遊戲體驗,與GBA和未來的DS一起,開拓新的遊戲方式。


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