[業界] SEGA 宣布與微軟戰略合作聯手強化全球化作品「Super Game」次世代開發環境 - 第2頁 @ 電視遊戲討論版

Dyhalt Rushifar · 11-04-21, 05:38 PM

又或者咁講，如果真係60蚊乘N再90000間廠平均分，其實你冇野需要擔心，冇人咁笨X_加盟…

wsx360 · 11-04-21, 07:27 PM

咁點解HADE係STEAM同NS賣咁多都上XGP
因為賺太多所以要嘔番D出黎?

我地唔係game廠唔會知佢地分到幾多錢
一般人只可以觀察XGP個game陣容來判定佢係咪受game廠歡迎同賺唔賺到錢

因為唔了解XGP點分錢就話佢會害死game廠
會唔會搞笑左D

Dyhalt Rushifar · 11-04-21, 08:45 PM

實際上與其擔心分錢咁商業既內部問題，不如擔心由於有降價/免費既預期，令銷路出現阻滯。
不過只要第一廠唔係盲買，而第三廠亦唔係隻隻都參與，理論上問題唔會好大。

TheFool · 11-05-21, 11:29 AM

引用:

作者: Terry仔

1. 入XGP其實已經收到一舊錢，多人下載玩個隻GAME又會收到另一個抽成，如果有人喜歡隻GAME再買埋，細廠又收到另一筆錢，所以你個60蚊分俾咁多人係一個誤會。
你真係覺得MS(又或者其他平台)會keep住貼錢俾game廠, 放game上自己平台？！
PSN，XBL會唔會個個月俾人100 yen / $10HKD join membership?!

2. 呢一點我完全唔認同，好玩的GAME個價保持到，正如好多STEAM GAME個價唔會跌，只有實體GAME有倉存壓力先會跌價。如果你話賣得太多達到玩家人數上限，咁我可以理解，但應該好少GAME做到，強如GTA V都可以三代唔同咁出。
你係咪未見過PSN, XB, steam game價崩值？

3. 除左入XGP舊錢，額外分到幾多係睇實力，例如HADES係STEAM同NS都出過，但遲咁多去到XGP一樣打入前十有得分，我調返轉問你，如果無XGP，你估無大廠推廣能力的INDIE可以分到幾多?
分到幾多先？！

不如俾d實例
PS4 大概2019年賣到1億部, PSN plus member 當時有有38M人
粗略計，Sony 係2019年 PSN 年費收入2.2億USD (假設$450HKD一年/唔計定期PSN減價優惠/有d地區個年費更低)

PS4 GOW 2018年初出一個月賣5M隻
以60USD計，有2.2億USD銷售額.
Google咗一下，2018年上半年有>120 隻大大小小game推出
Game嘅總營銷，唔知點計. 個數一定比PSN membership 收入高

如果拎哩兩個figure比較，係唔合理. 因為背後成本/維護成本唔同
不過你睇返sony最近一期financial report, PlayStation 係靠第三方game賣得好，所以頂到PS5洩錢條數

包月形式只會打激game嘅銷量. 有幾多人玩完PSN /XGP 免費 game之後會再買一隻

1. 會費收幾多根本唔影響，MS分幾多同廠收幾多先重點，你剩係用特價去考量，但廠家更多/更快加入XGP，證明佢有得賺，就咁簡單。

2. 你講既係特價，好少會有永久降價，你會唔會用老人2蚊交通費去考量交通駛費?

3. 都係個句，你睇下GAME廠加入XGP多左定少左?

你所謂既計錢，又唔知成本(成本包含各種軟硬仲有宣傳)，隨便咁計條數，無咩意思。
再講，XGP同買斷係並存，唔想相殺，係兩條水管一齊流水。

另外，所謂打擊銷量我認為二手比租GAME嚴重得多，但唔見有幾多人反對二手。
我自己本人就試過XGP後再補買隻GAME，例如OUTER WILD、FOR THE KING、SLAY THE SPIRE等等，唔少討論區都有類似的回響。
當然都有XGP後發覺好雷然後唔玩，例如DARK ALLIANCE。

所以我本人認為XGP減少玩家試GAME成本，增加細廠宣傳機會，對業界係正方作用。
我相信你係愛遊戲之人，不過思考方向同我唔同，所以我尊重你既意見。

420secured · 11-05-21, 11:49 AM

上年呢篇訪問提過Developer可以點經Gamepass搵錢：

https://www.theverge.com/21611412/mi...ecoder-podcast

Our deals are, I’ll say, all over the place. That sounds unmanaged, but it’s really based on the developer’s need. One of the things that’s been cool to see is a developer, usually a smaller to mid-sized developer, might be starting a game and say, “hey, we’re willing to put this in Game Pass on our launch day if you guys will give us X dollars now.” What we can go do is, we’ll create a floor for them in terms of the success of their game. They know they’re going to get this return.

[In] certain cases, we’ll pay for the full production cost of the game. Then they get all the retail opportunity on top of Game Pass. They can go sell it on PlayStation, on Steam, and on Xbox, and on Switch. For them, they’ve protected themselves from any downside risk. The game is going to get made. Then they have all the retail upside, we have the opportunity for day and date. That would be a flat fee payment to a developer. Sometimes the developer’s more done with the game and it’s more just a transaction of, “Hey, we’ll put it in Game Pass if you’ll pay us this amount of money.”

Others want [agreements] more based on usage and monetization in whether it’s a store monetization that gets created through transactions, or usage. We’re open [to] experimenting with many different partners, because we don’t think we have it figured out. When we started, we had a model that was all based on usage. Most of the partners said, “Yeah, yeah, we understand that, but we don’t believe it, so just give us the money upfront.”

風間鈴木仁 · 04-30-23, 01:48 AM

引用:

作者: 安安

https://www.sega.co.jp/release/211101_1.html
https://news.gamebase.com.tw/news/detail/99392762
セガとマイクロソフト、セガの次世代戦略タイトルの創出と
次世代開発環境の構築に関する戦略的提携の検討を進めることに合意

引用:

作者: 風間鈴木仁

https://gameapps.hk/news/47348/SEGA-Super-Game
SEGA 將與微軟合作開發全球性大型遊戲作品「Super Game」

SEGA 今天宣佈，為了創造出 SEGA 旗下的次世代戰略遊戲作品，以及構築次世代開發環境，與微軟達成了「戰略性提携合作」。

@@@
認真等待佳作/新 IP，期望重制重啟經典大作MD/SS/DC……
SEGA 你幾時先醒覺呀！其他日本廠商已經進化晒
CAP COIN/笨大/SE/暗榮……@

引用:

作者: 風間鈴木仁

轉述之前本人對SEGA期望的情報：

https://www.gameapps.hk/news/55583/SEGA-12-New-Game
世嘉遊戲大爆發下一個財年計劃推出12款遊戲

今日（4月28日），世嘉（SEGA）公佈22-23財年財報，截止到3月31日，全公司實現淨銷售額3896.35億日元（同比增長21.4%），營業利潤467.89億日元（同比增長45.9%）。娛樂內容業務，淨銷售額為2828.81億日元（同比增長19.9%），而普通收入為411.81億日元，同

22-23財年共計售出2789萬份遊戲，同比增加69萬份：其中新發售遊戲銷量1009萬份，同比增加132萬份，此外，財報還公佈了系列IP本財年總銷量，《超音鼠》系列售出約815萬份（Q4 140萬份）、《Total War》系列售出約230萬份（Q4 55萬份）、《女神異聞錄》系列售出約327萬份（Q4 123萬份）、《人中之龍》系列售出約283萬份（包括審判之眼/審判之逝）。

世嘉計劃於23-24財年發售12款遊戲，《人中之龍7 無名之龍》（2023年發售）六款已公佈遊戲，六款未公佈遊戲。

@@@
SEGA 真的有料黎回勇了！叻叻仔！

holsety · 04-30-23, 06:49 AM

sega樣樣野都慢。
一係remake 個ip database, 一係又loop一次dreamcast 輸多次

安安 · 11-02-23, 01:58 PM

https://www.shacknews.com/article/13...ame-march-2026
Sega still working on 'Super Game' project, expected by end of March 2026

安安 · 01-11-24, 02:41 PM

https://www.techradar.com/gaming/con...ica-and-europe
Shuji Utsumi is the new President and COO of Sega
as well as CEO of Sega of America and Europe

https://www.mobygames.com/person/372...tsumi/credits/

11-04-21, 05:38 PM	#26
Dyhalt Rushifar God of Gamer 神人ではない！新人だ註冊日期: Jun 2003 文章: 19,193 Dyhalt Dyhalt	又或者咁講，如果真係60蚊乘N再90000間廠平均分，其實你冇野需要擔心，冇人咁笨X_加盟… __________________ 静かな日々が皆無なのは　誰もが日々彷徨うからさ豊かな日々が皆無なのは　誰もが日々裏切るからさ此篇文章於 11-04-21 05:42 PM 被 Dyhalt Rushifar 編輯。

11-04-21, 08:45 PM	#28
Dyhalt Rushifar God of Gamer 神人ではない！新人だ註冊日期: Jun 2003 文章: 19,193 Dyhalt Dyhalt	實際上與其擔心分錢咁商業既內部問題，不如擔心由於有降價/免費既預期，令銷路出現阻滯。不過只要第一廠唔係盲買，而第三廠亦唔係隻隻都參與，理論上問題唔會好大。 __________________ 静かな日々が皆無なのは　誰もが日々彷徨うからさ豊かな日々が皆無なのは　誰もが日々裏切るからさ

04-30-23, 06:49 AM	#32
holsety Ultimate Gamer http://www 註冊日期: Oct 2003 文章: 4,314	sega樣樣野都慢。一係remake 個ip database, 一係又loop一次dreamcast 輸多次 __________________ 依家d game俾$就垃圾;免費就高質

相似的主題
主題	主題作者	版面	回覆	最後發表
SEGA槍GAME 神統	咩Feel	街機遊戲討論版	10	11-07-11 10:08 PM
[多機種] [PS3,XB360,Wii] Captain America: Super Soldier (SEGA) (2011)	ahleung	電視遊戲討論版	4	08-13-11 07:58 PM
[問題] sega saturn 舊GAME一問	安已不	電視遊戲討論版	9	09-26-10 06:17 PM
Lets Go Jungle (SEGA 新槍 game)	neo2046	街機遊戲討論版	18	01-22-07 03:21 PM
2 Spicy (new Sega lightgun game)	neo2046	街機遊戲討論版	1	11-05-06 09:09 PM

11-04-21, 07:27 PM	#27
wsx360 Game Master 註冊日期: May 2005 文章: 2,491	咁點解HADE係STEAM同NS賣咁多都上XGP 因為賺太多所以要嘔番D出黎? 我地唔係game廠唔會知佢地分到幾多錢一般人只可以觀察XGP個game陣容來判定佢係咪受game廠歡迎同賺唔賺到錢因為唔了解XGP點分錢就話佢會害死game廠會唔會搞笑左D

11-05-21, 11:49 AM	#30
420secured Senior Gamer 註冊日期: Nov 2020 文章: 298	上年呢篇訪問提過Developer可以點經Gamepass搵錢： https://www.theverge.com/21611412/mi...ecoder-podcast Our deals are, I’ll say, all over the place. That sounds unmanaged, but it’s really based on the developer’s need. One of the things that’s been cool to see is a developer, usually a smaller to mid-sized developer, might be starting a game and say, “hey, we’re willing to put this in Game Pass on our launch day if you guys will give us X dollars now.” What we can go do is, we’ll create a floor for them in terms of the success of their game. They know they’re going to get this return. [In] certain cases, we’ll pay for the full production cost of the game. Then they get all the retail opportunity on top of Game Pass. They can go sell it on PlayStation, on Steam, and on Xbox, and on Switch. For them, they’ve protected themselves from any downside risk. The game is going to get made. Then they have all the retail upside, we have the opportunity for day and date. That would be a flat fee payment to a developer. Sometimes the developer’s more done with the game and it’s more just a transaction of, “Hey, we’ll put it in Game Pass if you’ll pay us this amount of money.” Others want [agreements] more based on usage and monetization in whether it’s a store monetization that gets created through transactions, or usage. We’re open [to] experimenting with many different partners, because we don’t think we have it figured out. When we started, we had a model that was all based on usage. Most of the partners said, “Yeah, yeah, we understand that, but we don’t believe it, so just give us the money upfront.”

11-02-23, 01:58 PM	#33
安安 God of Gamer 註冊日期: Jan 2002 文章: 8,144	https://www.shacknews.com/article/13...ame-march-2026 Sega still working on 'Super Game' project, expected by end of March 2026

01-11-24, 02:41 PM	#34
安安 God of Gamer 註冊日期: Jan 2002 文章: 8,144	https://www.techradar.com/gaming/con...ica-and-europe Shuji Utsumi is the new President and COO of Sega as well as CEO of Sega of America and Europe https://www.mobygames.com/person/372...tsumi/credits/