[Xbox2]微軟與Sony會爭奪客廳﹐任天堂祗能放小孩房間 @ 電視遊戲討論版

Janus · 04-28-04, 09:35 AM

微軟與Sony會爭奪客廳﹐任天堂祗能放小孩房間

微軟Xbox頭頭Peter Moore接受Boomtown訪問
概要如下

Xbox 2 not backwards compatible?
- I think that backwards compatibility is mainly a PR problem. In the case of the PS2, it was only important for the first sixty days, until there were good PS2 titles on the shelves. After this, there wasn’t much interest in playing old PlayStation games , Moore concludes, and continues with a smile, It’s mostly a message to the parents, assuring them that they didn’t throw their money out of the window buying games for their kids.

Why do we need XNA?
- XNA is obviously focused on the next generation of consoles. Expenses are constantly rising for developers, while consumers are expecting more and more. We reckon that about 70 percent of all games result in deficits. The XNA software will reverse this for the better, because it means that developers need not spend so much time making tools, and it gives them freedom to design good games instead, Moore says.

Get ready, Sony
- Think of these factors, and you’ll know that the game will be different this time. Microsoft and Sony will fight a deciding battle for the living-room supremacy and Nintendo will have to settle for the kids’ rooms. Then we can take over the kids at age 12, he states.

The next generation is all about experiences
- Consumers will seek new kinds of gaming experiences. The Eye Toy is a brilliant example of that, and one that even expands the demographic reach of games. Games often deter non-gamers, but the Eye Toy conquers this barrier. At Microsoft, we’re also looking at different forms of gameplay, the Xbox boss reveals, thus indicating that we might see some new interesting hardware along the lines of the EyeToy for the Xbox/Xbox 2.
- But we’ve also learned other things. For instance, making a black console was enough to deter casual gamers, he adds, without telling us which colour the Xbox 2 will be... (erm, is it just me, or is the PS2 black as well? – ed.)
- That is why Rare (a developer, Microsoft bought – ed.) are so important for us. They really have the abilities to expand the existing market with their games, thinks Moore.

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For the full story.....

Boomtown的Peter Moore專訪
http://xbox.boomtown.net/en_uk/artic...ew.php?id=4781

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日本語版

Nintendo Inside
http://www.nintendo-inside.jp/news/134/13452.html

nick · 04-28-04, 11:31 AM

Microsoft and Sony will fight a deciding battle for the living-room supremacy and Nintendo will "have to" settle for the kids’ rooms.
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nick · 04-28-04, 11:37 AM

Peter Molyneux / Fable interview
We spoke to Peter Molyneux about the controversial freedom Fable offers gamers.

Peter Molyneux (right) and Microsoft's J Allard.
Peter Molyneux explored the concept of good and evil with Black & White, which was probably the first game that really let you choose exactly how you wanted to play it. In Fable he continues the good/evil concept, but to a much greater extent and at the same time the game offers you so much freedom that you can even commit adultery or enter a gay marriage. Considering how Haitians reacted to a single sentence in GTA: Vice City or how the German authorities react to every single drop of blood in a game, Fable looks bound to offend conservatives around the globe. We had the chance to talk to Peter Molyneux about that, as well about how he generally feels about Fable.

Fable is a role-playing game, which will be published exclusively for the Xbox and it’s the latest game spawned by Peter Molyneux’s game design vision. He co-founded Bullfrog back in 1987 and his first published game was Populous in 1989.

There are limits after all

'Because I'm bad, I'm bad-come on (Bad bad-really, really bad)'
Naturally Fable isn’t entirely about being as amoral as you can be, it’s about becoming the greatest hero of all times. So even though you can do nasty things, the Fable team has decided to set limits.

“In fact we have integrated a crime system, so if you try to kill a child, the system stops you”, Molyneux explains. “But people keep trying to circumvent it. It seems that the more you try to constrain people, the more they try to break the rules.”

He explains that the protection against killing children works inside the towns, where you’ll encounter children. But that caused people to start venturing just outside of the city limits and then shooting the children with arrows… which probably says more about the testers than it does the game.

It’s a question of realism

Ranged combat can either be fought with auto-aim or manual aim. Headshots included.
Despite the freedom and the border-probing nature of gamers, Mr Molyneux isn’t afraid that the game will cause reactions from conservative groups or religious communities.

“There is no sexual content whatsoever, so there won’t be any problems in the US. I only think it could become a problem in Germany”, he says referring to the strict age ratings set by German authorities.

So why not just eliminate the many controversial possibilities? Why not make life easy? The reason is simple in Mr. Molyneux’s mind:

“My feeling towards censorship is that it equals less realism. We have several games in development where this is a big issue”, he reveals.

After seeing the game being demonstrated by Peter Molyneux and playing Fable for a while myself, it’s clear to me that the game is filled to the brim with typical black, English humour. There’s a point in the game where you, as a 12-year old kid, surprise a couple kissing behind a barn. The man is married and offers you money so you won’t squeal to his wife. You can take the money, go to his wife and take money from her in exchange for the information!

Spoiled kid?

Earth Trolls are bad company. That is except if you don't mind getting huge chunks of earth thrown at you.
When asked about how close he thinks that Fable comes, to his original vision for the game, he lights up in a smile.

“Fable is the game that comes closest to my vision. At the moment we have reached a phase where the game only needs a little more tweaking. I would like the graphics to be even better, but this is really a spoiled kid talking here”.

The famed developer has also changed the approach to how the fan base is handled. During the development of Black & White the hype spiralled out of control and fans got disgruntled when the game hit the streets, because they couldn’t do what they thought they’d be able to do. This is not going to happen again – neither with Fable or Black & White 2.

“In the boards people reasoned. ‘If you can do this, you must also be able to do that’ and so on. So people simply believed too much. So now we have people watching the boards in order to keep expectations in check”, Molyneux says.

phil077 · 04-28-04, 01:55 PM

但現在個勢
PS2> GC> Xbox嗎?

松田悟志 · 04-28-04, 02:05 PM

引用:

作者: phil077

但現在個勢
PS2> GC> Xbox嗎?

Xbox好有自信下wo..........
但我覺得冇可能law........

亍 ◣ · 04-28-04, 02:09 PM

夠吉屎的話插隻腳入去手提又或街機丫......笨.......

一於全機種製霸

最多每一個機種頭兩個版本係蝕住黎賣...我相信你夠本錢蝕的

jun · 04-28-04, 02:14 PM

如果sony就畫姐；你xbox o甘串？

jamsquare · 04-28-04, 02:16 PM

引用:

作者: phil077

但現在個勢
PS2> GC> Xbox嗎?

XBOX LIVE好似做得幾好
我覺得同ｇｃ有得ｆｉｇｈｔ

Neloth · 04-28-04, 02:25 PM

微軟與任天堂會爭奪小孩房間 ﹐Sony祗能放客廳

↑咁就差唔多

jun · 04-28-04, 02:31 PM

引用:

作者: jamsquare

XBOX LIVE好似做得幾好
我覺得同ｇｃ有得ｆｉｇｈｔ

其實可以話不分上下

小白 · 04-28-04, 02:40 PM

其實我好憎X BOX同某部份支持者個態度
北美X BOX銷量係好過GC，不過真係好少少
但佢地講到好似高過GC幾條街咁
其實X BOX好多GAME(除左HALO)都賣得差過GC!
又唔計下X BOX呢樣野一直未又係洩緊錢!!

呢篇野又講到好似同PS2丁當碼頭咁
SIDE氣!

有料就玩埋手提機呀笨!

letmeregister · 04-28-04, 02:53 PM

我都覺得ngc同xbox暫時係不分上下~

當然, online方面xbox好好多, 但日本就ngc嬴番; 絕對是難分難解!! 至於北美就互有輸贏, 一時就xbox領先, 一時又ngc追番上黎, 直頭好似曼聯 (ngc) 同車仔 (xbo

爭第二咁~

講真, 而家家用遊戲機市場又真係同英超勁似. ps2好似阿仙奴咁晨早搞掂, sony的marketing技巧就好比阿仙奴的享利一樣, 可以話係sony的一大利器; ngc就係曼聯般的傳統班霸不容忽視; xbox就唔駛講同車仔似到入型入格啦, 大家都玩無限金錢

我睇呢個形勢到下一代都唔會點變, 一樣有排鬥; 尤其經過今代三大廠商都各有領悟, 下一代必定更加小心部署. 所以有時真係唔明點解好多人都已經下晒判斷話下一代會點會點...

我唔係指有關廠商的發言人, 因為季初例牌隊隊都話有信心捧杯; 而係d評論員最少都等三部機有實物, 埋晒班先firm啦~

letmeregister · 04-28-04, 02:56 PM

引用:

作者: jamsquare

XBOX LIVE好似做得幾好
我覺得同ｇｃ有得ｆｉｇｈｔ

係因為香港宣傳足je~
唔係話佢唔得, 我都認為xbox上網係做得好. xbox勢係可以同ngc鬥, 不過單單因為呢樣野而咁講就唔多認同. 始終xbox唔係只出一招就得ma

同人志 · 04-28-04, 04:12 PM

全球計XBOX 好賣Ｄ定GC?

強化人間ですの～★ · 04-28-04, 04:37 PM

引用:

作者: 同人志

全球計XBOX 好賣Ｄ定GC?

[統計]家用主機及遊戲銷量

主機累計銷量
PS2 (2004.01.13)
7000萬台(日本1618萬台 + 北美2926萬台 + 歐洲2456萬台 )
NGC (2003.12.31)
1394萬台(日本 337萬台 + 北美 746萬台 + 其他 311萬台 )
Xbox (2003.12.31)
1370萬台(亞洲 140萬台 + 北美 860萬台 + 歐洲 370萬台 )

GimGim · 04-28-04, 05:06 PM

引用:

Xbox 2 not backwards compatible?
- I think that backwards compatibility is mainly a PR problem. In the case of the PS2, it was only important for the first sixty days, until there were good PS2 titles on the shelves. After this, there wasn’t much interest in playing old PlayStation games , Moore concludes, and continues with a smile, It’s mostly a message to the parents, assuring them that they didn’t throw their money out of the window buying games for their kids.

not a good idea

t-cup · 04-28-04, 10:53 PM

xbox 與 pc 爭就真

八仙果 · 04-28-04, 11:02 PM

引用:

作者: javaj

夠吉屎的話插隻腳入去手提又或街機丫......笨.......

一於全機種製霸

最怕變o左全機種祭旗。 (笑)

KIM · 04-28-04, 11:14 PM

引用:

作者: t-cup

xbox 與 pc 爭就真

不是早已壟斷麼?

C.K.F. · 04-28-04, 11:16 PM

對於MS來講

手提 = smartphone / pocketPC (今後這類產品會配備非常強勁的3D/Multi-Media功能, 唔駛刻意出部好似GB/PSP的產品)

街機... MS大雞唔食細米, 呢範都係留番俾SEGA食.

teamkiller · 04-28-04, 11:16 PM

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作者: 八仙果

最怕變o左全機種祭旗。 (笑)

大旗唔出,小財唔入呀

啤梨王子 · 04-29-04, 03:52 AM

xb邊有咁勁呀~

龍寶寶 · 04-29-04, 12:12 PM

引用:

作者: letmeregister

我都覺得ngc同xbox暫時係不分上下~
-skip-

你個比喻真一流

引用:

作者: letmeregister

係因為香港宣傳足je~
唔係話佢唔得, 我都認為xbox上網係做得好. xbox勢係可以同ngc鬥, 不過單單因為呢樣野而咁講就唔多認同. 始終xbox唔係只出一招就得ma

認同,三部主機中以xbox宣傳最為強勁,好多地方都見到

hk_boy · 04-29-04, 12:54 PM

引用:

作者: letmeregister

係因為香港宣傳足je~
唔係話佢唔得, 我都認為xbox上網係做得好. xbox勢係可以同ngc鬥, 不過單單因為呢樣野而咁講就唔多認同. 始終xbox唔係只出一招就得ma

無錯~講到底功能, Line-up ,價錢~!!

個概念就係就算宣傳足夠,商品本身唔得,
點谷都谷唔起,唔得就係唔得~!!

Xbox Live唔只係掂,而係最掂~!!

hk_boy · 04-29-04, 01:08 PM

引用:

作者: jamsquare

XBOX LIVE好似做得幾好
我覺得同ｇｃ有得ｆｉｇｈｔ

Xbox Live唔使好似幾好...啦~!!
試下再比較下其他機種吧~!!

係香港問好多間game鋪~
好多唔多想做GC game,
因為真係GC > Xbox,
以Game來價同坐死Game的數目計~!!
GC就算邊間行,點做都做唔起~!!

除非溥天自已過黎香港攪~!!

04-28-04, 09:35 AM	#1
Janus God of Gamer こんにちは註冊日期: Jan 2003 文章: 8,480 無無	[Xbox2]微軟與Sony會爭奪客廳﹐任天堂祗能放小孩房間微軟與Sony會爭奪客廳﹐任天堂祗能放小孩房間微軟Xbox頭頭Peter Moore接受Boomtown訪問概要如下 Xbox 2 not backwards compatible? - I think that backwards compatibility is mainly a PR problem. In the case of the PS2, it was only important for the first sixty days, until there were good PS2 titles on the shelves. After this, there wasn’t much interest in playing old PlayStation games , Moore concludes, and continues with a smile, It’s mostly a message to the parents, assuring them that they didn’t throw their money out of the window buying games for their kids. Why do we need XNA? - XNA is obviously focused on the next generation of consoles. Expenses are constantly rising for developers, while consumers are expecting more and more. We reckon that about 70 percent of all games result in deficits. The XNA software will reverse this for the better, because it means that developers need not spend so much time making tools, and it gives them freedom to design good games instead, Moore says. Get ready, Sony - Think of these factors, and you’ll know that the game will be different this time. Microsoft and Sony will fight a deciding battle for the living-room supremacy and Nintendo will have to settle for the kids’ rooms. Then we can take over the kids at age 12, he states. The next generation is all about experiences - Consumers will seek new kinds of gaming experiences. The Eye Toy is a brilliant example of that, and one that even expands the demographic reach of games. Games often deter non-gamers, but the Eye Toy conquers this barrier. At Microsoft, we’re also looking at different forms of gameplay, the Xbox boss reveals, thus indicating that we might see some new interesting hardware along the lines of the EyeToy for the Xbox/Xbox 2. - But we’ve also learned other things. For instance, making a black console was enough to deter casual gamers, he adds, without telling us which colour the Xbox 2 will be... (erm, is it just me, or is the PS2 black as well? – ed.) - That is why Rare (a developer, Microsoft bought – ed.) are so important for us. They really have the abilities to expand the existing market with their games, thinks Moore. ------------------------------------------------------------ For the full story..... Boomtown的Peter Moore專訪 http://xbox.boomtown.net/en_uk/artic...ew.php?id=4781 ------------------------------------------------------------ 日本語版 Nintendo Inside http://www.nintendo-inside.jp/news/134/13452.html

04-28-04, 11:31 AM	#2
nick God of Gamer 註冊日期: Sep 2002 文章: 7,363	Microsoft and Sony will fight a deciding battle for the living-room supremacy and Nintendo will "have to" settle for the kids’ rooms. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________ www.fotop.net/nickYip PHOTO OF AC Wii http://www.fotop.net/nickYip/AC NDS GAME FC mph FC: nick 0601-9706-0534 content fc:nick 3007-1618-1079 動森fc:5369-4190-3879 wii fc 3221-5238-1799-9879 //pm fc /4424-6802-0768 //mkwii fc 105.2621-2747-8510//日動物之森 fc: /3738-3048-3107 惡魔:3652-5761-5259 3ds:2363-5574-3483 此篇文章於 04-28-04 11:45 AM 被 nick 編輯。

04-28-04, 11:37 AM	#3
nick God of Gamer 註冊日期: Sep 2002 文章: 7,363	Peter Molyneux / Fable interview We spoke to Peter Molyneux about the controversial freedom Fable offers gamers. Peter Molyneux (right) and Microsoft's J Allard. Peter Molyneux explored the concept of good and evil with Black & White, which was probably the first game that really let you choose exactly how you wanted to play it. In Fable he continues the good/evil concept, but to a much greater extent and at the same time the game offers you so much freedom that you can even commit adultery or enter a gay marriage. Considering how Haitians reacted to a single sentence in GTA: Vice City or how the German authorities react to every single drop of blood in a game, Fable looks bound to offend conservatives around the globe. We had the chance to talk to Peter Molyneux about that, as well about how he generally feels about Fable. Fable is a role-playing game, which will be published exclusively for the Xbox and it’s the latest game spawned by Peter Molyneux’s game design vision. He co-founded Bullfrog back in 1987 and his first published game was Populous in 1989. There are limits after all 'Because I'm bad, I'm bad-come on (Bad bad-really, really bad)' Naturally Fable isn’t entirely about being as amoral as you can be, it’s about becoming the greatest hero of all times. So even though you can do nasty things, the Fable team has decided to set limits. “In fact we have integrated a crime system, so if you try to kill a child, the system stops you”, Molyneux explains. “But people keep trying to circumvent it. It seems that the more you try to constrain people, the more they try to break the rules.” He explains that the protection against killing children works inside the towns, where you’ll encounter children. But that caused people to start venturing just outside of the city limits and then shooting the children with arrows… which probably says more about the testers than it does the game. It’s a question of realism Ranged combat can either be fought with auto-aim or manual aim. Headshots included. Despite the freedom and the border-probing nature of gamers, Mr Molyneux isn’t afraid that the game will cause reactions from conservative groups or religious communities. “There is no sexual content whatsoever, so there won’t be any problems in the US. I only think it could become a problem in Germany”, he says referring to the strict age ratings set by German authorities. So why not just eliminate the many controversial possibilities? Why not make life easy? The reason is simple in Mr. Molyneux’s mind: “My feeling towards censorship is that it equals less realism. We have several games in development where this is a big issue”, he reveals. After seeing the game being demonstrated by Peter Molyneux and playing Fable for a while myself, it’s clear to me that the game is filled to the brim with typical black, English humour. There’s a point in the game where you, as a 12-year old kid, surprise a couple kissing behind a barn. The man is married and offers you money so you won’t squeal to his wife. You can take the money, go to his wife and take money from her in exchange for the information! Spoiled kid? Earth Trolls are bad company. That is except if you don't mind getting huge chunks of earth thrown at you. When asked about how close he thinks that Fable comes, to his original vision for the game, he lights up in a smile. “Fable is the game that comes closest to my vision. At the moment we have reached a phase where the game only needs a little more tweaking. I would like the graphics to be even better, but this is really a spoiled kid talking here”. The famed developer has also changed the approach to how the fan base is handled. During the development of Black & White the hype spiralled out of control and fans got disgruntled when the game hit the streets, because they couldn’t do what they thought they’d be able to do. This is not going to happen again – neither with Fable or Black & White 2. “In the boards people reasoned. ‘If you can do this, you must also be able to do that’ and so on. So people simply believed too much. So now we have people watching the boards in order to keep expectations in check”, Molyneux says. __________________ www.fotop.net/nickYip PHOTO OF AC Wii http://www.fotop.net/nickYip/AC NDS GAME FC mph FC: nick 0601-9706-0534 content fc:nick 3007-1618-1079 動森fc:5369-4190-3879 wii fc 3221-5238-1799-9879 //pm fc /4424-6802-0768 //mkwii fc 105.2621-2747-8510//日動物之森 fc: /3738-3048-3107 惡魔:3652-5761-5259 3ds:2363-5574-3483

04-28-04, 01:55 PM	#4
phil077 Ultimate Gamer 註冊日期: Jan 2002 文章: 4,742	但現在個勢 PS2> GC> Xbox嗎? __________________ 小數利益者絕對不能反抗大利益集團,大利益集團絕對不會遷就小眾者,小眾者忍讓大利益集團是必需的,不管是自己有什麼不便也好,不作聲不論用什麼方法都要「忍」! 事例一則:大部份人可以步行直接到A地的電影院看電影,有一少部人因為條路被封不能直接步行到達,A地地主怕麻煩叫果一少部人自己想辦法,不會另開B地作電影院給全部人一齊看電影,果一少部人結果又要搭飛機又要轉火車先到A地,果一少部人最後都不看電影算了

04-28-04, 02:09 PM	#6
亍　◣ 　◥　jaVaj 神的4小時註冊日期: Dec 2001 文章: 42,160	夠吉屎的話插隻腳入去手提又或街機丫......笨....... 一於全機種製霸最多每一個機種頭兩個版本係蝕住黎賣...我相信你夠本錢蝕的 __________________ 亍《唐韻》《集韻》丑玉切，音梀。小步也。左步爲彳，右步爲亍，合之則爲行字。又稍停也。《左思•魏都賦》矞雲翔龍，澤馬亍阜。《顏延之•赭白馬賦》纖驪接趾，秀騏齊亍。　又《廣韻》中句切音駐。義同。

04-28-04, 02:14 PM	#7
jun Crazy Gamer Jun 註冊日期: Sep 2002 文章: 1,141	如果sony就畫姐；你xbox o甘串？ __________________ ---講就天下無敵--- ---做就無能為力---

04-28-04, 02:25 PM	#9
Neloth Game Master 註冊日期: Oct 2003 文章: 2,094	微軟與任天堂會爭奪小孩房間 ﹐Sony祗能放客廳 ↑咁就差唔多 __________________ 　　　＼　　ﾃｰﾚｯﾃｰ　　　　／　　　　＼　　∧_∧　　　／　　　　　.\|∩(　･ω･)∩\|　　　　　　／丶　　　　\|/　＼　　／　　　（ ⌒つ´）　　　＼

04-28-04, 02:40 PM	#11
小白 Senior Gamer 註冊日期: Dec 2002 文章: 384	其實我好憎X BOX同某部份支持者個態度北美X BOX銷量係好過GC，不過真係好少少但佢地講到好似高過GC幾條街咁其實X BOX好多GAME(除左HALO)都賣得差過GC! 又唔計下X BOX呢樣野一直未又係洩緊錢!! 呢篇野又講到好似同PS2丁當碼頭咁 SIDE氣! 有料就玩埋手提機呀笨!

04-28-04, 02:53 PM	#12
letmeregister Insane Gamer 註冊日期: Mar 2003 文章: 963	我都覺得ngc同xbox暫時係不分上下~ 當然, online方面xbox好好多, 但日本就ngc嬴番; 絕對是難分難解!! 至於北美就互有輸贏, 一時就xbox領先, 一時又ngc追番上黎, 直頭好似曼聯 (ngc) 同車仔 (xbo 爭第二咁~ 講真, 而家家用遊戲機市場又真係同英超勁似. ps2好似阿仙奴咁晨早搞掂, sony的marketing技巧就好比阿仙奴的享利一樣, 可以話係sony的一大利器; ngc就係曼聯般的傳統班霸不容忽視; xbox就唔駛講同車仔似到入型入格啦, 大家都玩無限金錢我睇呢個形勢到下一代都唔會點變, 一樣有排鬥; 尤其經過今代三大廠商都各有領悟, 下一代必定更加小心部署. 所以有時真係唔明點解好多人都已經下晒判斷話下一代會點會點... 我唔係指有關廠商的發言人, 因為季初例牌隊隊都話有信心捧杯; 而係d評論員最少都等三部機有實物, 埋晒班先firm啦~ __________________ NDS遊戲入手量持續上升中 PSP的最後一game: "tales of eternia" 終於都俾我賣左...

04-28-04, 04:12 PM	#14
同人志 Insane Gamer 註冊日期: Feb 2004 文章: 834	全球計XBOX 好賣Ｄ定GC?

04-28-04, 10:53 PM	#17
t-cup Moderator CD-ROM 註冊日期: Dec 2001 文章: 17,046 4511 1485 9506 tcuphk2 tcuphk	xbox 與 pc 爭就真

04-28-04, 11:16 PM	#20
C.K.F. Ultimate Gamer 註冊日期: Dec 2001 文章: 4,458	對於MS來講手提 = smartphone / pocketPC (今後這類產品會配備非常強勁的3D/Multi-Media功能, 唔駛刻意出部好似GB/PSP的產品) 街機... MS大雞唔食細米, 呢範都係留番俾SEGA食. __________________ "Sony's engineers suck at GPU design, as the GS proves. The Dreamcast with a older GPU design destroys the GS in the PS2 when it comes to features. The GS is a very simple rendering part. Sony bragged so much about how many pixels they can push, but never talked about the quality of the pixels being pushed." - Edge

04-29-04, 03:52 AM	#22
啤梨王子 The One 過氣萬人迷註冊日期: Mar 2003 文章: 38,560 Pear_Prince	xb邊有咁勁呀~ __________________ <<啤梨王子TROPHY PROFILE>> Waiting around for somebody to change your life for you is a loser's game. If you want a great friend, you've got to be a great friend; if you want a great partner,you've got to be a great partner.